tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774131.post358081887990474751..comments2023-06-24T11:57:48.459-04:00Comments on larrylivermore.com: Against Obama?Larry Livermorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11948659387575597910noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774131.post-39198059240122144112008-11-23T02:19:00.000-05:002008-11-23T02:19:00.000-05:00Interesting blog and great comments too. I like h...Interesting blog and great comments too. I like how you have depth in your subjects and not just black/white knee-jerk thinking. Plus, I enjoy the old punk stuff myself. <BR/><BR/>Which leads me to the writings been on the wall since 1970's punk rock. I mean, let's fight over trivial BS .. is Burger King more healthy than McDonald? Does McDonalds give more charity? Come on! they aren't too much different.<BR/><BR/>Is Pepsi better for you than Coke? Is Coke a more environmental company? Does it friggen matter?!<BR/><BR/>That's kinda what the last election was like. Obama isn't a step forward he is just moving the dance to the left. This is done for the appearance. Things superficially may look different. The logo is Blue not Red.<BR/><BR/>But please look deep. DEMS are playing "good cop" to GOPS "bad cop". It's a calculated and cruel game.. both sides have the same goal. In this case, to rob Americans and regular people of the world of their rights as sovereign nations/citizens. <BR/><BR/>Obama plays the same game, but now he is the CEO for the "other company." He is still bought and sold, or the corrupt Dems wouldn't have him. By keeping the Average American voter (and the Press that allegedly informs them) in a constant debate between two bought and sold candidates, Democracy can just be lifted from our hands. The powers that run Bilderberg, ect. hedge their bets and anyone who works their way through to the short-list of the GOP or Dems has been greased by the exact same palms. They may change things up.. but don't expect beneficial change for people. This isn't the goal of the DEMS or the GOP (both have been co-oped)<BR/><BR/>For example: The US will likely still be at war (building a foreign empire while our people at home are impoverished and stricken), the dollar's value will continue to be destroyed by inflationary debt, our skies will still be sprayed regularly with chemicals (look up Chemtrails), Marshal law will continue to be in effect, even after GW. Bush is out of office, The Patriot Act and other violations of constitutional freedoms will continue to impinge Americans and secret torture facilities/camps will exist to intimidate and oppress innocent people. <BR/><BR/>This is why people say Obama is a sham. Because if you look at what he says and does they are two rather different things. He is beholden (same as G.W. Bush) to certain Evil Global Powers,. not to the American People. <BR/><BR/>His track record (and Biden's) on key issues (Patriot Act, continued support for Iraq funding after his big "I'm better than Hillary C. because I NEVER voted for the war" then he did) is surprisingly similar to GW Bush. Surprise! Because they are "owned" by the same Powerful groups/individuals. When it's played out, things won't be too different (better) for American's than when Bush was in office. The only way Obama/Biden will vary, is a new faces/new party will get more leeway to push through bills to further exploit Americans (in the name of Change) and push us all down into debt, poverty and internment camps like what was done to Native Americans, Farmers, ect. <BR/><BR/>Think about the larger paradiam of power, not just the imaginary right/left, McDonalds/BK, Coke/Pepsi. This is a distraction. If Stock brokers are smart enough to play both sides (investing in both google and microsoft or ebay and amazon), and Cops do it to beat out the truth, why wouldn't the world's Power brokers be saavy enough to employ this tactic? <BR/><BR/>Keep your wits and<BR/>All the Best,<BR/>SamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774131.post-80084839831276333872008-11-06T09:51:00.000-05:002008-11-06T09:51:00.000-05:00as imperfect as he (or anybody for that matter) wo...as imperfect as he (or anybody for that matter) would be, obama's a step forward. i recall you talking about nader's disappearing acts in an old punk planet column and that's pretty much what soured me on him being any viable alternative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774131.post-24435589876306092482008-11-04T12:36:00.000-05:002008-11-04T12:36:00.000-05:00Ouch!Larry - I voted for Obama, not because I thin...Ouch!<BR/><BR/>Larry - I voted for Obama, not because I think he will right all the wrongs that have become the Bush legacy. I voted for him because the thought of a McCain/Palin administration scares me.<BR/><BR/>I was 18 in 1980. I voted for John Anderson knowing he didn't have a chance of winning. I never threw away another vote after that election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774131.post-57308955865992237642008-11-04T10:52:00.000-05:002008-11-04T10:52:00.000-05:00"we must restore dignity, decency, honor and respe..."we must restore dignity, decency, honor and respectability to the highest office in the land,"<BR/><BR/><BR/>By voting in a fraud who supports many of the Bush policies regarding foreign policy?<BR/><BR/><BR/>That is an excellent idea, maybe we can attack 6,7,8 countries at the same time.<BR/><BR/>It will be so awesome. With any luck we will have to have a draft.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>On and on you go about Nader. You get presented facts and yet you still cannot get your head out of the swirling toilet long enough to get some oxygen to your brain.<BR/><BR/><BR/>RALPH NADER IS NOT THE REASON WHY BUSH WAS PUT IN OFFICE.<BR/><BR/><BR/>AL GORE, THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR BUSH, AND SUPREME COURT are to blame...<BR/><BR/><BR/>not someone who has a 45 year history of serving the public. <BR/><BR/>Your mantra has become tiresome and frankly you need a new one. Perhaps, when Obama starts helping his wall street buddies and goes to war with Pakistan, Syria, and Iran, you can just blame Nader.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774131.post-73538345009628125522008-11-04T10:44:00.000-05:002008-11-04T10:44:00.000-05:00oh let's go down the list of Obamas vaunted voting...oh let's go down the list of Obamas vaunted voting record that is not fringe and shared by most americans....<BR/><BR/><BR/>Voted for the war funding every time.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Voted to renew the PATRIOT ACT.<BR/><BR/>Voted For the FISA bill.<BR/><BR/>Voted for telecomm immunity.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Let's check out Joe Biden.<BR/><BR/>Helped push the Iraq war through by limiting debate and cajoling fellow democrats to vote for it.<BR/><BR/>Said serbs ought to be put in concentration camps.<BR/><BR/>voted to renew the PATRIOT ACT. In fact he drafted it in in 1995 after the OKC bombings and complained the GOP stole his ideas.<BR/><BR/>Voted for FISA.<BR/><BR/>Voted for immunity.<BR/><BR/>Drafted and pushed the Bankruptcy bill that was a boondoggle for the credit card industry as well.<BR/><BR/>Both want to have a "surge" in Afghanistan. Both have said they will not respect sovereign nations borders if they perceive a threat, which means pre emptive war and continuing the Bush Doctrine. <BR/><BR/>Both voted for the bail out and enabled wall street speculators and crooks to not only get away with criminal acts, but rewarded them, while the market and economy still tanks.<BR/><BR/>This is just the tip of the ice berg.<BR/><BR/><BR/>This is what a majority of Americans believe in, highly unlikely and how is that different than McCain??<BR/><BR/><BR/>So ending the wars, cutting wasteful bureaucracies, a single payer not for profit health care system, having a bill of workers rights, investing in passive energy sources, protecting civil liberties, earning a living wage, ending the war on terror, the war on drugs, and the bush doctrine, opening the debates, keeping the public airwaves public, ending corporate person hood, fair trade, the list goes on...These are only beliefs held by a few?<BR/><BR/>I guess in La La land NYC, you guys just blabber on about what your TV or hip magazine tells you how to think, but in the rest of America, we are sick of the wars, attacks on our civil liberties, and being bullying around by corporate billionaires who own our government. It seem you are he one out of touch, most people are voting for Obama, because they feel he is the lesser of the two evils. Remember Nader never said there was NO different between Gore and Bush, same with McCain and Obama, there is just LITTLE difference between the two.<BR/><BR/>They are beholden to corporate america and Obama is beholden to wall street.<BR/><BR/>www.opensecrets.org<BR/><BR/>Like you said you can go down the list of voting records and rhteoric and you see that, yes, there is little difference between the tw and you are enabling a failed system.<BR/><BR/>Basically you are to blame for 2000 2004 and this election. Maybe you ought to own up to your inability to step it up and make choices that will better the world and stop falling prey to the two party system. Give it a try declare your independence and come join the growing number of us who actually want real substantial change and not slogans and lies.<BR/><BR/>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/pulitzer-prize-winning-journalist-explains-his-vote-for-nader/<BR/><BR/>Another pullitzer prize winner voting for Nader..ooopsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774131.post-52723669617104266722008-11-04T09:20:00.000-05:002008-11-04T09:20:00.000-05:00As I said, if you honestly believe McCain-Palin to...As I said, if you honestly believe McCain-Palin to be the best candidates, you should by all means vote for them. My comments were directed more at people who claim to be vehemently anti-Bush/McCain but yet somehow still rationalize their way out of supporting Obama.Larry Livermorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11948659387575597910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8774131.post-39473177006630545112008-11-04T09:04:00.000-05:002008-11-04T09:04:00.000-05:00As I've told you before, Barack Obama is the secon...As I've told you before, Barack Obama is the second coming of Jimmy Carter. A vote for anybody but Obama is a-ok in my book. <BR/><BR/>BenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com